Tuesday, December 27, 2005

What bothers you more??

I want to ask all the bloggers.... what bothers you more...
the broken glass doors in the airport ...... or this?


Blogger HalloweenHarry said...

defeinately the broken glass doors. Everytime I see a bunch of people "peacefully protesting" I fear for my family & instantly think about how to get my family as far from them as possible, including ramming any that approach my car.

Dont kid yourself, these people are violent criminals, just because they have a political or religious agenda doesnt make them any different from religious zealots who have terrorist agendas.

Frankly, i'm upset that you can get away with vandalism in Bahrain just buy screaming "we want our freedoms".

11:16 PM  
Blogger The Joker said...

What bothers me most is when a visitor arrived, the first thing he saw in my country is people demonstrating in the terminal while he was claiming his luggage.

And then he finds out that they are demonstrating for a \"professor\" that is associated with the party that rules Iran with an Iron fist is suddenly proclaiming democracy, and preaching to the same UN that Iran is ignoring.

Moreover, police bruitality. I can\'t think of another way to clear the terminal.. but that was flat out wrong.

11:22 PM  
Blogger Jaffar said...

the glass of course. if you want to know why then read my post in that regard.

11:39 PM  
Blogger The Voice of Reason said...

Totally care about the broken glass!

Zainab, there's a difference between protesting in a peaceful manner and what happened at the airport.

Haven't you learnt despite all those Human rights sessions and seminars that non-violence is the best way to go about it, Come on you've taken your ride to Amnesty International in Bahrain as well - remember - letter writing, cage-chaining and how it goes?

Secondly, Human rights activism and political rights activism don't go together - so which one do you want to go with, you need to choose becuase you can't do both!

Thirdly, all this 'Down With The Al-Khalifa' nonsense is all CRAP! yes, its all CRAP Zainab - and you know it as much as most of us all do! One day you will have to forget your differences and work with the same people to formulate an effective solution for Bahrain's woes.

And much respect to Nabeel Rajab and your father - they do it the peaceful way - individually -that is by fasting or holding out candle light vigils! However the masses that listen to them do not protest unjustice in a peaceful manner - that is a huge problem to the whole 'cause'.

Don't give me the state security and police forces provoked the people - that again is not useful. (Just for the record, I was at the airport that day, I know & saw what happened and according to international human rights protesting - it was a complete disgrace, as an 'international' human rights observer, I am disgusted by the actions of the protesters, I am further disgusted that the CAA or the appropriate airport authority DID NOT abide by human rights safety practices and remove the protesters and the riot police from inside the airport to outside, Sorry CAA Folks, but you do not allow tear gas to be fired or tolerate violence inside an airport - you are the CAA, and you do not want to be caught up in a stand-off between protesters and riot police! The protesters and riot police should have been 'removed' to the exteriors (outside) of the airport). And you do not organize or hold protests or any form inside an airport - it is like holding a demonstration inside a Hospital's Surgery Theatre or ICU!

Riot Police in Bahrain are being educated on human rights as well - the UN OCHA representatives are in Bahrain since May this year and were given the task of training them. It is what the OCHA calls 'Training In Porgress'

Speaking of demonstrations, Zainab, don't you think it is high time, we start educating the masses on what exactly is human rights, how can we protest and demonstrate peacefully, the difference between political rights activism and human rights activism and how we can work together to better Bahrain and formulate an effective solutions for Bahrain's problems?

Right now, education on Human rights and peaceful demonstrations is what is really needed in Bahrain for protesters to be taken seriously, until then the case is somewhat lost due to violence.

(Main Stream Media in the country and blogs such as this one, need to show pictures - not a selected few but both sides of the issue - it was not a pretty sight and pictures do not do justice either)

* Notes: Riot police have human rights too, CAA officials have human rights too, Airport passengers and employees have human rights too, protesters have human rights too.

Damage has not been done just to Bahrain's image, but to the whole Bahrain - human rights cause if there was one in the first place --- who needs violence?

12:28 AM  
Blogger SillyBahrainiGirl said...

Both give me nausea

7:38 PM  
Blogger Maryam K said...

Where have you people been living? Because if ur living in bahrain and thats the way you think... then i dont think i should even be replying to what u wrote....
since when are peaceful protestors "violent criminals". I mean the next thing we know is that u'll be saying that theyre with alqaeda and planning to bring bin laden to rule bahrain!!!
when something wrong happens.. ppl go to protest.. that is the reasonable thing to do. what is not reasonable is for the riot police to attack them..
halloweenharry... if u really love ur family and care about them.. then u should be thinking what kind of country u want them to be living in.. a country where its against the law for more than five ppl to stand together? a country where if u go out to PEACEFULLY protest for ur rights.. u get beaten up and taken to jail? my guess is that ur not even bahraini my friend.. ur probably someone living the life of luxury in our country...
the joker,,, ur talking about the poor person who just arrived at the airport and doesnt want to be disturbed while claiming his luggage.. how about the ppl living here who dont have enough to eat?? who can barely get by with the salaries they have,, thats ofcourse if they even have a salary!!! if ur bahraini.. then shame on u for caring about the newcomer more than the ppl of ur own country!!!

the voice of reason.. u actually made me laugh out loud when u wrote "Riot Police in Bahrain are being educated on human rights as well - the UN OCHA representatives are in Bahrain since May this year and were given the task of training them. It is what the OCHA calls 'Training In Porgress'" i mean COME ON!!! have u ever dealt with these ppl?? they dont know how to speak arabic let alone english, or how to read or write.. and ur saying theyre getting courses about human rights??? i think ill pass that as a joke!! about the protestors not being peaceful... well yes i see what u mean.. actually i agree with u.. bcz the minute the protestors arrived at the airport, they started smashing up the place.. u know they just love the rush!!! then they waited for the riot police.. and when they came.. they attacked them!! oh the poor riot police.. yes i do see what u mean!!!
what u mean is that people were standing in the airport; STANDING not running or thrashing the place... waiting to know what will happen to someone they respect so much... then the riot police arrive.. and the RIOT POLICE attack.. oh no.. can u believe it.. it was actually the riot police that attacked.. and thats when ppl started running.. or wait.. u want them to stand still and turn the other cheek right??

What bothers me most are these replies and the way ppl think!!!

thanx for the topic zaynab =)

11:41 PM  
Blogger Jaffar said...

Broken glass bothers me the most in the airport

Who has broken the glass? It is them, the protestors. Please let us respect our brains little bit and do not count much on the conspiracy theory that the riot police broken the glass. It is the same claim made by Jalal ferooz that blazing gas cylinders and smashing private stores all took place by riot police hands with unemployed demonstrations last month and when challenged by the Ministry of Interior to provide the evidence (photos and videos) for such claims he failed abysmally.

Any one makes foolish act should be punished, cruelly, any one is trying to terrorize others should be punished ruthlessly, any one who does not know how to brush his teeth and without particle of sense to differentiate between the appropriate places of demonstrations and protesting should be penalized.

If Mr. Khlid or what so called mohammed sanad , rest of turbans and the deceived herd failed to teach those protestors how to behave like civilized people, when to raise a point, and where to band, then they should be penalized in away or another.

If one turban has sleeping problems, has digestion problems, or has ass problems, they trace that to the government and call for demonstrations, what the fuck is this. Do not you know that there is something called law, whether you like that or not, it is their then it should be respected. Mohammed Hussain Fadalallah once asked by one of the immigrants in one European countries about the European law, he told be him that their laws should be respected and fully adhered to at all the time whether you like or not, and it is haram ( in Islam) to break the law. Then what about our country’s law, which are broken by those protestors for the sake of releasing Islamic figure!. They failed to comprehend that as they fail to do so in all material aspect of their miserable lives.

12:20 AM  
Blogger The Voice of Reason said...

3 points to note:

1) If there are people in this country who do not have enough to eat, are being discriminated against or are being wronged -- then there are non-violent avenues that can be approached within which their grievances can be aired such as peaceful demonstrations and awareness/writing campaigns.

2) Until the protesters or the people who feel that they have been wronged realize that the only way to arrive at a solution is by first educating the masses, awareness through non-violent means and sitting at the table and talking/collaborating constructively to arrive at a solution -- it is not worth inviting us 'international mediators or human rights observers' to Bahrain to intervene. Joe Stork has voiced the same concern and so have many others from HRW when they were invited to Bahrain(March 2004, June 2005)

3) Extremism is something that does not go with human rights, the same as trying to push for political activism behind the front of rallying for human rights in Bahrain. You need to decide what you want -- is it human rights or poltical rights, also extremism in its various forms will never be tolerated - you can always continue that cat and mouse game and you can always continue to lie about the truth to yourselves and the masses.

2 Questions to note:

1) Why is it that the MWG (Migrant Workers Group) which was once under the umbrella of the now-disolved BCHR (Bahrain Center for Human Rights) been authorized by HRW, AI and the responsible ministries of the Kingdom of Bahrain to contribute towards protecting Human Rights in the country and why wasn't BCHR tasked with that role?

Isn't it true that both -- HRW and Front Line Defenders after a series of visits for observations to the country observed and stated that BCHR consitituted and internal problem to the country while the Women & Family Law Committee which at the time was chaired by Fowzia (now chairing AI-Bahrain) and the MWG that came under the BCHR were unable to carry out their duties with respect to international human trafficking & anti-absuse laws because the BCHR was caught up in a political stand-off against the government? (Therefore both the MWG and the Family Law Committee were licensed seperately, where the MWG is now authorised as the MWPS and the otehr sub committee was taken under the care of Ai in Bahrain)

If BCHR was all about protecting human rights in Bahrain, then what was it doing with political parties such as Al Wefaq? which brings us to the next question:

2) Since, BCHR is solely a human rights organization, why is it siding with a political party such as Al Wefaq where most of their party laws consist of anti-human rights practices?

What is the relationship here -- a political party where most policies contradict that of the BCHR ?

Final Note: Just what is the use of calling mediators and observers to Bahrain (waste of time and resources -- all our visits and observatory operations are paid for by the host country and the organizations requesting for monitoring) if there is going to be repeated series of clashing interests between the so-called Human rights activists at BCHR and leadership and the masses of Al Wefaq? It is very clear what the people or the common man needs/want -- but what is unclear is what some human rights activists/leaders want - is it personal gain, personal revenge. The sentiments shared by many observers here in Bahrain is that there appears to be some sort of ongoing power stuggle between the BCHR, Al Wefaq Society and other political parties who all cite human rights on the context of political activism.

What happened at the airport has struck a major negative hole in the entire Bahraini human rights' cause.

3:39 AM  
Blogger Zainab Alkhawaja said...

Voice of Reason:
1) These people ARE demonstrating peacefully, but the government uses force against them. Then they retaliated. When my father got beaten up he did not raise a finger to protect himself, yet he was beaten up fiercly.

2)Yes I agree with you. But to teach people how to peacefully stand up for themselves you have to show them not tell them. ANd thats exactly what is happening.

3)Human Rights and politics are inseperable. This is known in all of the major human rights organizations.

As for your two questions:
1)I worked with the MWG for a very long time. And the reason the government supported us is that they do not feel threatened about the trafficking issues. Unlike Bahraini human rights issues. Also because the Bahraini government is under alot of pressure from the US government about Migrant issues. That is why the government did not bother us, and sometimes worked with us.

2)who told you that the BCHR sides with political parties. The BCHR and Alwefaq do not agree on many issues. And while Alwefaq want to join in the elections the BCHR are totally against that notion.

I dont know what political leaders want, but other than revenge and political gain have you consideredd that they want whats best for their country?

I have a question for you... are you an 'international' human rights observer? if yes... what human rights organization do you work for? Until now I have not met or talked to a human rights observer anywhere who shares your views.

4:35 AM  
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12:44 AM  
Blogger TariqKhonji said...

"Human Rights and politics are inseperable. This is known in all of the major human rights organizations."

They are related, yes, but you can't campaign for one political view against all others. We are all human beings.

5:53 AM  
Blogger HalloweenHarry said...

Alright Zainab, how about I take your view on this.

Peaceful protestors should be allowed to riot in places of public utility that are beside residential areas.

Police should not use any means to prevent rioting that would leave any marks because that would be a human rights violation of peaceful protestors during their rioting. After the peaceful protestors have finished rioting & destroying public & private property, they should be allowed to go home.

Everyone should focus on the bruises that peaceful protestors sustained.

. . . What a quaint way of looking at things

11:14 PM  
Blogger LiB Team said...

maryamak, what on earth are you thinking about? what's this mentality?

You just come and label anyone who wants to live a normal life as a foreigner who lives the life of luxury in Bahrain? I know it's a fact that there are a LOT of expats living luxuriously, but HaloweenHarry is Bahrain and I happen to know him. He does care for his family so do I, that's why we work hard to provide for them. And by being hardworkers -it does pay off btw- we eventually get raises and promotion. Now don't try to deny that there are a lot of unemployed who have NO or LITTLE qualifications and want to earn BD 1000 a month? Come on, be realistic. I am paid for the work I do. And I provide for my family and would not like to see them get hurt when people are rioting in a public place, not to mention the goddamn airport.

Freedom of speech is tolerable, destroying public property should not be tolerated no matter what the reasons are. end of story.

1:44 AM  
Blogger Isaac said...

As an American I am appaled by these reports of police brutality. Certainly that is unacceptable, but I must agree with the majority of responses to this post Zainab. Even in the "free" United States riot police will be called in to break up any protest that does not have a permit. I can tell you with absolute certainty that if I organized a group and tried to hold a protest in an airport in America, I would be arrested. If I resisted arrest, or resorted to any sort of violence, I would most likely recieve some bruises from the police. I am not condoning poilice brutality, but to establish to the world that what took place was truely police brutality you need two things, an unbiased observer, (call some international media and invite them to attend), and the protesters must, and I repeat MUST turn the other cheek. To resist is to undermine the protestors argument that the police were overreacting. The truth of the matter is that the police have a duty to maintain law and order. An unliscenced protest is a violation of the law and therefore they are duty bound to disperse it. If you peacefully resist, you can make a scene and make it difficult for them to do that, but if you resist with vandalism and violence you make it very easy because you justify the use of whatever force they deem necessary. Violence and human rights do not go together. You can not simultaniously advocate the rights of some while trampling the rights of others. To do so reaks of facism, and Nazi ideology.

3:45 AM  
Blogger Isaac said...


this artical discusses a debate about the right to protest without a permit in NYC

3:48 AM  

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